RESPECT

[keeper2013]

SOrry but for my mode think first what respect rules is admin but is see council what is first what not respect rules for me this clan have big big problem. Council what (with his team unbalanced 10 vs 2) use claymore on spawn point probable not is good admin!! But is my opinion

[[NRNS]IVAN-TAXI]

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[[NRNS]Seferin94]

 

[[NRNS]MeBenDazol]

The unbalanced teams has been a recurrent problem. I switched a lot of idle players over the last weeks but sometimes it isn't possible when players are in squads.

[[]sajid30k]

Loyalty and respect means everything  to me

[keeper2013]

Probable not much claire my post!!!!!!! MEMBERS RESPECT THIS love RULES OR RESIGN WHAT I AFTER PUBLISH  OTHER TYPE VIDEO!!!

[[NRNS]Mannisto2]

Probable not much claire my post!!!!!!! MEMBERS RESPECT THIS love RULES OR RESIGN WHAT I AFTER PUBLISH  PETTER TYPE VIDEO!!!

As far as I saw, US team was taking your flag there.

[keeper2013]

As far as I saw, US team was taking your flag there.

And?? If US team taking my flag is just spawn kills??  too much easy all camper on spawn point because taken flag!Is your personal rule or rule members NRNS?? Because if I kill admin even 1time on spawn kill him ban me (DAZE docet)!! for you not see spawn kills on the video??

[[NRNS]MeBenDazol]

The rule is no EXCESSIVE spawn killing. 1 occasional kill doesn't break the rules. You should post a video with repeated kills at the same point by the same shooter.

[[NRNS]SirGuySW]

'Excessive' is not defined. Once again I urge that we do not use vague language in official documents like the rules. Using clear language might help avoid confusion and these feelings of double standards.

[[NRNS]Mannisto2]

As far as I saw, US team was taking your flag there.

And?? If US team taking my flag is just spawn kills??  too much easy all camper on spawn point because taken flag!Is your personal rule or rule members NRNS?? Because if I kill admin even 1time on spawn kill him ban me (DAZE docet)!! for you not see spawn kills on the video??

In order to capture a flag, you (unfortunately) need to spwankill / kill near spawn point enemies. Rule is no excessive spawnkilling, that means for example a players is sitting in a tank next to spawnpoint and kills spawning enemy everytime someono spawns there. There is a massive difference.

[keeper2013]

Sorry but probable Yours see other video have kills me 3 time same spawn point and after have kill other player ever on spawn point and this is only that see on the video!! Is hidden under vegetation (no conquiste flag other have conquer flag). Video proof not is important, important is defend members ever, and for this what I no publish more video, but not fear I continue do video even if admins kick me!!

[[NRNS]Daze]

omg if a squad is taking a flag how can it be spawnkill? now if a squad is camping the spawnpoints and making no attempt to cap the flag then this is different,

A good example of Spawnkilling...........................the mec heli raping the top of the tv station on Sharqi......that's Spawnkilling on a massive scale

[[NRNS]SirGuySW]

Question: Which of the following are examples of spawn killing?

• Sniper on a hill watching an enemy flag through scope. Sniper sees enemy units spawning in near the flag. Sniper kills them as soon as they spawn.
• Sniper on a hill watching an enemy flag through scope. Squadmates are capturing the flag. Sniper sees enemy units spawning in near the flag. Sniper kills them as soon as they spawn.
• Soldier is capturing a flag. Soldier sees enemy units spawning in near the flag. Soldier kills them as soon as they spawn.
• Tank is rolling up to an enemy flag. Tank sees enemy units spawning around flag. Tank stays out of range of the flag while killing enemy units as soon as they spawn.
• Tank is rolling up to an enemy flag. Tank sees enemy units spawning around flag. Tank continues approaching enemy flag while killing enemy units as soon as they spawn.
• Tank is capturing an enemy flag. Enemy units spawn around flag. Tank kills enemy units as soon as they spawn.
• APC fires random shots into city. Shots hit and kill enemy units just as they spawned.
• APC fires targeted shots into city at a spawn location. Enemy units die as soon as they spawn.
• APC is taking fire from enemy units. APC returns fire. Enemy units are standing near an enemy spawn point. Enemy units spawn at the enemy spawn point. APC kills (aggressive) enemy units. APC's target reticle indicates more enemy units at the target location so APC continues firing, killing enemy units as soon as they spawn.

Answer: All are examples of spawn killing.

What a player is doing while killing an enemy as soon as enemy spawns does not change the fact that player is spawn killing. Camping on a hill? Camping in a tank? Covering teammates? Capturing a flag? Accidental discharge? Irrelevant.

Banishing ambiguity: What makes spawnkilling excessive? 'Excessive' refers to quantity. So is 'excessive spawnkilling' defined by number of spawnkills? If so how many spawn kills is 'excessive'? If not maybe 'excessive spawnkilling' shouldn't be the rule. If players are allowed to spawnkill while capturing an enemy flag maybe the rule should be 'no spawn killing unless capturing a flag'. But if the real 'action' that we're trying to prevent is players dying over and over right after spawning perhaps the rule should just be simply, 'no camping spawn points.'

 

[[NRNS]MeBenDazol]

To me the difference is the same as first-degree murder VS manslaughter. The intent to take a flag justifies spawn kills while camping around a spawn point to get easy kills is unacceptable. I totally agree that excessive is too vague but it certainly doesn't apply to the above video.