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Help and Support => Technical Support - Hardware/Software/Scripting => Topic started by: [NRNS]KRRISH on December 27, 2014, 19:29:41 PM
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:HEY
I have had an NVidia GeForce GTS450 for 3 yrs but with G41M and CORE 2 DUO 1.8ghz (n i call myself a gamer. :P ..played only COD mw MP).
Had a lot of issues with the g card but all fixed now .downloade...n desperate for gaming >>NOW... watch dogs ,cod(adv warfare,ghosts),max payne 3,MOH (warfighter),FAR CRY 4,ASSASINS CREED UNITY,Crysis 3 ,Dead Rising 3 ,Dead Space 3 ,GTA,LA Noire,Middle-earth: Shadow of Mordor,Need for Speed Rivals ETC
Operating System: win7
processor : CORE I3 4160,,3.60 GHz,,LGA1150 ( will purchase @rs 7300)
G CARD : ASUS NVIDIA GTS450 1GB DDR5
RAM : 4GB ddr2 (i guess ll have 2 purchase ddr3)
hd :1tb WD
MOTHERBOARD OPTIONS:
gigabyte/asus
B85 M D3H (or other b85 variants)
H87 M D3H (or other H87 variants)
H81 also an option ,but i can STRETCH till B85 /H87(@ BUDGET)
or any OTHER if u know.
ty :roll:
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Hi Krrish, here is my opinion, if you are going to use Socket 1150, depends on how much you want to spend, and for what use.
A nice mobo with intermediate economy, in my opinion would be the GA-Z97-HD3.
http://es.gigabyte.com/products/page/mb/ga-z97-hd3rev_10/overview/
Totally compatible with your actual CPU with posibilities to go i7.
http://www.cpu-upgrade.com/mb-Gigabyte/GA-Z97-HD3(rev._1.0).html
In some cases, there are mobos with dual memory, you can use DDR2 and DDR3 at the same time, but this is not the case. I recomend you the G.Skill Ripjaws X DDR3 1600 PC3-12800 8GB 2x4GB CL7. You can overclock it to 1866/2133 really easily with UEFI Bios.
http://www.gskill.com/en/product/f3-12800cl7d-8gbxm
And if you want some nice improvement with the SO, try the SSD disk system. For example the Kingston SSDNow V300 120GB. Reaaally fast, huge performance.
http://www.kingston.com/es/ssd/v?sk=ESSSD_ffffff&ktc_campaign=emea_ESSSD&gclid=CMrbpeyc58ICFdQZtAodg3oAHA
All this on Spain you can get it for 200€, and you can make a PC for another 10 years. Hope this can help you.
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How much do you want to spend for the PC? I can give you some build :)
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have you tried flipkart mate? they have good option there mate. Only if you are looking socket 1150 motherboard.
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:HEY
I have had an NVidia GeForce GTS450 for 3 yrs but with G41M and CORE 2 DUO 1.8ghz (n i call myself a gamer. :P ..played only COD mw MP).
Had a lot of issues with the g card but all fixed now .downloade...n desperate for gaming >>NOW... watch dogs ,cod(adv warfare,ghosts),max payne 3,MOH (warfighter),FAR CRY 4,ASSASINS CREED UNITY,Crysis 3 ,Dead Rising 3 ,Dead Space 3 ,GTA,LA Noire,Middle-earth: Shadow of Mordor,Need for Speed Rivals ETC
Operating System: win7
processor : CORE I3 4160,,3.60 GHz,,LGA1150 ( will purchase @rs 7300)
G CARD : ASUS NVIDIA GTS450 1GB DDR5
RAM : 4GB ddr2 (i guess ll have 2 purchase ddr3)
hd :1tb WD
MOTHERBOARD OPTIONS:
gigabyte/asus
B85 M D3H (or other b85 variants)
H87 M D3H (or other H87 variants)
H81 also an option ,but i can STRETCH till B85 /H87(@ BUDGET)
or any OTHER if u know.
ty :roll:
First of all for an i3 , dont pick a z97 motherboard , they are made for overclocking the i5 series they are compatible but its overkill unless you want to pay for a gaming branded mobo for a low end cpu like the i3 on intel side , second Farcry 4 needs at least a 4 core processor , the i3 is a dual core with hyper threating but doesnt work on it as far as i know , tried on the pentium and i3 game didnt load up , now what to keep in mind is an i3 wont need an expensive motherboard to run in , its a low power cpu wont produce alot of heat so any mobo can do the trick , if you havent build this yet , i recomend you an amd fx 6300 , cost less than the i3 has 6 physical cores and will run you throu anything
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In my opinion, spend 90€ for a gaming mobo its right, why?, because the way to have a good pc its to have it useful for a looong time, with the GA-Z97-HD3, first he can use the i3 processor, he can overclock the I3 4160 to 4.0Ghz easily without temp problems and stable, he can improve at any time to i5 and i7, and alot more. If he is planning to dont spend much for the moment, stay in Socket 1150 is the best chance. Be the way, AMD FX Series FX-6300 needs a mobo AMD3+. My opinions are based on actual games and the future. Lets wait an answer.
EDIT: He is asking for a mobo option, not processor, (Maybe he want to improve the mobo for any time he can invest in a better Intel processor.)
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In my opinion, spend 90€ for a gaming mobo its right, why?, because the way to have a good pc its to have it useful for a looong time, with the GA-Z97-HD3, first he can use the i3 processor, he can overclock the I3 4160 to 4.0Ghz easily without temp problems and stable, he can improve at any time to i5 and i7, and alot more. If he is planning to dont spend much for the moment, stay in Socket 1150 is the best chance. Be the way, AMD FX Series FX-6300 needs a mobo AMD3+. My opinions are based on actual games and the future. Lets wait an answer.
EDIT: He is asking for a mobo option, not processor, (Maybe he want to improve the mobo for any time he can invest in a better Intel processor.)
you cannot overclock an i3 -.- , they have locked multiplier. intel overclockable cpus are those that end iX-XXXXK for example my i7 4770K, only 1st generation i3 were overclockable with hacked bios to unlock temps and voltages , the lga 1150 on the i3 is not for overclocking , why would you buy a gaming branded z97 mobo for something you cant achive? not to be offensive or anything but before you suggest be sure , oh and btw , upgrading intel its a cost , not everyone have that kind of money to upgrade from time to time , a bang for the buck pc if well build will last for years. sadly dual core processors are going to be irrelevant soon since direct 12 and newer games use more than 4 cores
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Hey, im here to give my experience to someone who needed, dont be alarmed. I dont know how much he can spend, so i give a setup of what he can get holding the same processor but upgrading the mobo and other components. Thinking for the future. Why "Gamer", because have better quality mosfets, better quality capacitators, better quality transistors. Why "Gamer", because he is going to play with. For the computers, gaming means high work above the sun and need better components, of course If you dont want to waste money every 2 years. And please, if you dont have the knowledge to OC an i3, read some books, pdf or datagrams, dosn't mean CAN'T be overclocked. He can't afford that mobo?, we can afford always an AMD! ^.^
For example:
980DE3/U3S3
http://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/980de3u3s3
AMD FX Series FX-4300 3.8Ghz 4X
http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Bulldozer/AMD-FX-Series%20FX-4300.html
Or maybe...
AMD FX Series FX-6300 3.5Ghz 6X
http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Bulldozer/AMD-FX-Series%20FX-6300.html
Cpu totally supported with the two CPU.
http://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/980DE3U3S3/?cat=CPU
Be constructive, with information.
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Hey, im here to give my experience to someone who needed, dont be alarmed. I dont know how much he can spend, so i give a setup of what he can get holding the same processor but upgrading the mobo and other components. Thinking for the future. Why "Gamer", because have better quality mosfets, better quality capacitators, better quality transistors. Why "Gamer", because he is going to play with. For the computers, gaming means high work above the sun and need better components, of course If you dont want to waste money every 2 years. And please, if you dont have the knowledge to OC an i3, read some books, pdf or datagrams, dosn't mean CAN'T be overclocked. He can't afford that mobo?, we can afford always an AMD! ^.^
maybe you are the one who should read books , go ahead and try to overclock an i3 4160, again IT HAS LOCKED MULTIPLIER , it means it is locked , the multiplier lock is to prevent the consumer to overclock the cpu , of course the gaming branded mobos are better but its nost of the times just a name ( gigabyte g1 sniper comes to mind or msi gaming mobos) and for low end cpus it doesnt matter the whole work load wont affect the mobo the heat produced by an i3 is low since the power consumption is low. i work with pcs for living i build i overclock i know what im saying, his i3 cant be overclocked end. if you like try to do it
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Without taking this too serious, you need to learn a bit more about computing. But experience is earned with fails so...
Good "Gaming" mobo got:
Better quality components, particularly with controllers and power management.
More future expansion options, particularly with SLI/X-Fire, or special purpose cards (high-end audio or video capture).
More SATA and USB ports. You can never have too many of these.
More features for high-end users, such as dual LAN ports.
More overclocking headroom.
More stability and quality on components.
Its not just the "Sup3r Pr0 N4m3 GT 3000 Turb0" and beautiful shiny colors...
Of course the i3 can be overclocked, there is few ways, obviously not for anyone. I am kind of tired of the people saying that it is impossible to overclock a CPU without an unlock multiplier. Get a good mobo like i said before, then you gonna have the posibility to manage the Baseclock or Host Clock Frequency Override, if you get BSoD just up the voltage. Not everything its on sir google.
And the difference from one to another, its some coins. Believe me.
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hey i am not a sir just so you know , and you bringing google up makes me lol , Not a single mobo with either OC genie , Afterburner , intel control center , ect... will give you a significant boost on the clock speed and this can lead to harm on the components , i been working with computers for 6 yeah im pretty sure of what im saying , any enthusiast grade for an i3 is overkill , If only IF they is plans on the future to add another gpu and a better cpu like i5 or i7 i would pick a z97 , i stand where i stand you have your arguments i wont complain. but like you said im tired of people this and that , i deal with that kind of situations everyday not to even mention intel vs amd zzzz. as far as i know a basic mobo is going to be as good as a gaming mobo in everyway with an i3 and im done here . this is my advice
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Definetly you don't understand my poor english or my argument, and what im saying, be the way we are going offtopic.
I mean "Sir Google", not about you, read.
Im not debating Amd vs Intel, i am comenting about which is the best chance having a Intel Processor on your hands and low economy.
The OC i was talking about its NOT via Software, read.
Anyone with more than 8 years old have been working with computers for 6 years.
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Ok just to clear things up. Unless your intel CPU has a K behind the name, you WON'T be able to overclock it enough to make ANY difference. Going with a Z type board would be overkill.
I wouldn't recommend spending more than 2/3rd of what you spent on your CPU for your motherboard. Whatever fits within that budget will do just fine (as long as it's socket 1150)
OH! and CoD Ghosts will REFUSE to run if you have less than 6GB of RAM (I wouldn't recommend playing this game at all btw), and I highly doubt watch_dogs will run on a GTS450.
And last but not least, the MINIMUM requirement for AC:Unity is a GTX680/770!
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well H81 or B85 this motherboards will support some new features in some way or another such as native display port, new integrated graphics but there are some core differences between the H81 and B85 variants in much the same way as there were differences between the old H61 and B75 chipsets.
(https://nrns-games.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ukgamingcomputers.co.uk%2Fimages%2Farticles%2Fh81vsb85.jpg&hash=f3ed2c64828f9b4908c57b7dd9e6a2d0a61414a4)
if you have the money go for the B85, has more expansion ports that the H81, but if you want a cheaper motherboard the H81 is your choice, both work in the same way.
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oh my bad i got into the argue about the 13 overclocking i didnt even advice about mobo lol silly me ,
well H81 or B85 this motherboards will support some new features in some way or another such as native display port, new integrated graphics but there are some core differences between the H81 and B85 variants in much the same way as there were differences between the old H61 and B75 chipsets.
(https://nrns-games.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ukgamingcomputers.co.uk%2Fimages%2Farticles%2Fh81vsb85.jpg&hash=f3ed2c64828f9b4908c57b7dd9e6a2d0a61414a4)
if you have the money go for the B85, has more expansion ports that the H81, but if you want a cheaper motherboard the H81 is your choice, both work in the same way.
like he said , also note that the on board graphics on the i3 are decent but wont take you too far , between gigabyte and asus from exp i pick the gigabyte , they are durable they feature japanese capasitors and have and it has a nice 6 +2 power desing , you wont need to worry about getting enough voltage on your system or over voltage. Asus is a really good board too but they are better making high end gaming mobos lol,
Ok just to clear things up. Unless your intel CPU has a K behind the name, you WON'T be able to overclock it enough to make ANY difference. Going with a Z type board would be overkill.
I wouldn't recommend spending more than 2/3rd of what you spent on your CPU for your motherboard. Whatever fits within that budget will do just fine (as long as it's socket 1150)
OH! and CoD Ghosts will REFUSE to run if you have less than 6GB of RAM (I wouldn't recommend playing this game at all btw), and I highly doubt watch_dogs will run on a GTS450.
And last but not least, the MINIMUM requirement for AC:Unity is a GTX680/770!
+1 ^keep this in mind aswell
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omg TY all 1st of all.... m gonna go 1 by 1 !!
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Hi Krrish, here is my opinion, if you are going to use Socket 1150, depends on how much you want to spend, and for what use.
A nice mobo with intermediate economy, in my opinion would be the GA-Z97-HD3.
http://es.gigabyte.com/products/page/mb/ga-z97-hd3rev_10/overview/
Totally compatible with your actual CPU with posibilities to go i7.
http://www.cpu-upgrade.com/mb-Gigabyte/GA-Z97-HD3(rev._1.0).html
In some cases, there are mobos with dual memory, you can use DDR2 and DDR3 at the same time, but this is not the case. I recomend you the G.Skill Ripjaws X DDR3 1600 PC3-12800 8GB 2x4GB CL7. You can overclock it to 1866/2133 really easily with UEFI Bios.
http://www.gskill.com/en/product/f3-12800cl7d-8gbxm
And if you want some nice improvement with the SO, try the SSD disk system. For example the Kingston SSDNow V300 120GB. Reaaally fast, huge performance.
http://www.kingston.com/es/ssd/v?sk=ESSSD_ffffff&ktc_campaign=emea_ESSSD&gclid=CMrbpeyc58ICFdQZtAodg3oAHA
All this on Spain you can get it for 200€, and you can make a PC for another 10 years. Hope this can help you.
hey ty so much
but for now i can go as far as H97 M D3H OR H97 variants ..... m a chartered accountant (almost) .....so had 2 GOOGLE "overclocking" @ 1st ...but i got it 2 some extent ...
the major diff (z97 & h97) is OC only i guess ..
i am getting GIGABYTE GA-H97M-D3H @ 110$ (amazon.in)
GIGABYTE Z97X-GAMING3 @ 250$
Gigabyte GA-Z97M-D3H @ 165$
and my MOBO budget is around 100$
i will certainly look for ripjaws :D
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How much do you want to spend for the PC? I can give you some build :)
mobo budget around 100$
processor max i can go for i3 4160 :( :( :(
and ddr 3 ram > 50$
AS OF NOW
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have you tried flipkart mate? they have good option there mate. Only if you are looking socket 1150 motherboard.
YEAH flipkart ,amazon(in),snapdeal,but m gettin almost same deals from de shops here (lamington road,anupam etc )
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First of all for an i3 , dont pick a z97 motherboard , they are made for overclocking the i5 series they are compatible but its overkill unless you want to pay for a gaming branded mobo for a low end cpu like the i3 on intel side , second Farcry 4 needs at least a 4 core processor , the i3 is a dual core with hyper threating but doesnt work on it as far as i know , tried on the pentium and i3 game didnt load up , now what to keep in mind is an i3 wont need an expensive motherboard to run in , its a low power cpu wont produce alot of heat so any mobo can do the trick , if you havent build this yet , i recomend you an amd fx 6300 , cost less than the i3 has 6 physical cores and will run you throu anything
THNX MAN
yeah THTS Y i AM thinking of H97 M D3H/ H87MD3H ..... SOME TOLD me even H81 s /B85 are good but that wud b 2 basic ....
i3 >> m counting on its hyper threading stuff as i read on intel n other tech forums @least in some games.
so M CLOSING DOWN TO >>> H97 M D3H :-\ :-\ :-\
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In my opinion, spend 90€ for a gaming mobo its right, why?, because the way to have a good pc its to have it useful for a looong time, with the GA-Z97-HD3, first he can use the i3 processor, he can overclock the I3 4160 to 4.0Ghz easily without temp problems and stable, he can improve at any time to i5 and i7, and alot more. If he is planning to dont spend much for the moment, stay in Socket 1150 is the best chance. Be the way, AMD FX Series FX-6300 needs a mobo AMD3+. My opinions are based on actual games and the future. Lets wait an answer.
EDIT: He is asking for a mobo option, not processor, (Maybe he want to improve the mobo for any time he can invest in a better Intel processor.)
u r completely right bro....... n i will upgrade in around 6 months once 1 finish my CA final N mba entrance (specifying this 2 point out de reason why i cant spend much now)
till then something is better than nothing .
so H97 M D3H >> :-\ :-\ :-\
AMD >> i dnt know will study the pros durin my nxt upgrade till then a INTEL guy
ty
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Ok just to clear things up. Unless your intel CPU has a K behind the name, you WON'T be able to overclock it enough to make ANY difference. Going with a Z type board would be overkill.
I wouldn't recommend spending more than 2/3rd of what you spent on your CPU for your motherboard. Whatever fits within that budget will do just fine (as long as it's socket 1150)
OH! and CoD Ghosts will REFUSE to run if you have less than 6GB of RAM (I wouldn't recommend playing this game at all btw), and I highly doubt watch_dogs will run on a GTS450.
And last but not least, the MINIMUM requirement for AC:Unity is a GTX680/770!
thnx for de heads up
yeah half of my gaming dreams r shattered with my current GTS 450 (as i got the answers from all tech forums) ..... NXT UPGRADE soon ..
ram >> was gonna go for 4gb for now ::) ::)
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oh my bad i got into the argue about the 13 overclocking i didnt even advice about mobo lol silly me ,
well H81 or B85 this motherboards will support some new features in some way or another such as native display port, new integrated graphics but there are some core differences between the H81 and B85 variants in much the same way as there were differences between the old H61 and B75 chipsets.
(https://nrns-games.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ukgamingcomputers.co.uk%2Fimages%2Farticles%2Fh81vsb85.jpg&hash=f3ed2c64828f9b4908c57b7dd9e6a2d0a61414a4)
if you have the money go for the B85, has more expansion ports that the H81, but if you want a cheaper motherboard the H81 is your choice, both work in the same way.
like he said , also note that the on board graphics on the i3 are decent but wont take you too far , between gigabyte and asus from exp i pick the gigabyte , they are durable they feature japanese capasitors and have and it has a nice 6 +2 power desing , you wont need to worry about getting enough voltage on your system or over voltage. Asus is a really good board too but they are better making high end gaming mobos lol,
Ok just to clear things up. Unless your intel CPU has a K behind the name, you WON'T be able to overclock it enough to make ANY difference. Going with a Z type board would be overkill.
I wouldn't recommend spending more than 2/3rd of what you spent on your CPU for your motherboard. Whatever fits within that budget will do just fine (as long as it's socket 1150)
OH! and CoD Ghosts will REFUSE to run if you have less than 6GB of RAM (I wouldn't recommend playing this game at all btw), and I highly doubt watch_dogs will run on a GTS450.
And last but not least, the MINIMUM requirement for AC:Unity is a GTX680/770!
+1 ^keep this in mind aswell
thank you THAN .....YH H81 & n B85 r in my budget n so is H 97 mobos ..... i read B85 ARE business mobos n H81 /87/97 R consumer (may be it wud nt make a diff)
so as comparing em i guess H87/97 IS MY FINAL OPTION.
thank you SNIPER W
yes its giga byte mostly
n thnx again v much
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thank you all
just a last say on
H 97 M D3H (or other H97 variants) OR
H87 M D3H (or other H87 variants).
believe me >> askin for the last time.
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go for the h97 , newer heatsink design , the usual Japanese solid capacitors they are a well probed product , they interface is user friendly and it performs well , the i3 wont let you down in some currents games due to the fact most of them wont use more than 2 cores , anything from lest say idk bf4 frostbite engine 3 below the, i3 going to be smooth on any game thanks to it single core performance , all tho in future games and some current games like farcry4 the 2 cores wont even start the games in some scenarios , games now starting to be more cpu demanding , more cores = more performance with the upcoming dirext 12 and stuff, hyperthreating its just a smart queue engine that allows it to perform well even to the fact its dual core , but it doesn't make it 4 core sadly , intel at this price range of the i3 doesn't have a mid range cpu like amd, i always recommend the fx series to intel i3. now if you plan on upgrading to i5 or i7 in the future , dont ignore amd , i made a mistake upgrading from an amd fx 8350 8 core to an i7 3770k and just gained 5 fps in games lol. but as a pc enthusiast i have to say both companies do great on their business , no reason to pick one up because of the name or branding.
so if you still havent build this yet , check out the amd fx 6300 its about same price as intel it features 6 cores , a 3.5 ghz stock speed , turbo to 4.0 , it is unlocked , overclocks well and it performs just a bit less than intel in single core performance . but you wont notice
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The only difference between the two chipsets is M.2 support (H97 has, H87 does not). ;)
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alright thank you v much ..... i ll let u know 1ce i ve finalized !!
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so if you still havent build this yet , check out the amd fx 6300 its about same price as intel it features 6 cores , a 3.5 ghz stock speed , turbo to 4.0 , it is unlocked , overclocks well and it performs just a bit less than intel in single core performance . but you wont notice
Single core performance is VERY important in games! You'll have to overclock the fx6300 to 4,5ghz to get about the same performance in games as you get from the i3.
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Not really squirrel this is a common statement , I my self put that into test on my shop, the i3 and the fx performed about the same on stock , of course the intel will have better single core performance but that's only really where it lost now in the real world honestly who cares about benchmarks? Gaining a few extra performance that probably your eyes won't even notice won't make you say oh I should had pick intel over amd. I still regret moving from an fx 8350 with my formula mobo to an i7 and I gained 5 fps in gaming . I mean most games aren't cpu bounded. All tho this is my opinion I don't pick a brand because it's name
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sniperwolf, look here (http://www.hardwarepal.com/best-cpu-gaming-9-processors-8-games-tested/) and see how often the i3-4130 beats even the FX-8350
Single threaded performance is very important in games. The fact that a 3ghz, 2Core/4Thread i3 beats out a 4,5ghz 4Module/8Thread FX CPU proves this.
The only time you should take an FX-6300 is if an i3 doesn't fit your budget, but there's only a $10 price difference between that CPU and the i3-4160 so I don't see that happening.
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I did my own benchmarks and my results were different all tho I will always admit intel has a better single core performance I won't share this benchmarks. Why? Because from ac unity to crisis 3 on 4k config . Those are gpu bounded games and the frame rate are from 5 to 8 more fps, dual core no matter how good still a dual core o.O , in case you wonder the benchmarks I made were . Sony vegas, cinebench , valley , fire strike , ac unity , bf4 , the witcher 3 and last but not least 3D mark. And it's always a few fps to a max of 10. Dual sli gtx 980 on these. Stock speed and overclocked. Im not putting in doubt what this link says but I have done it o.o
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OK seriously last time m askin
most prob i ll stretch to H97 mD3H BUT IF
i go for GIGABYTE GA-H81M-Gaming 3 OR GA-H81M-D3H instead oF H97 ...... would it make a difference in gaming considering
http://tech4gamers.com/gigabyte-releases-ga-h81m-gaming-3-motherboard/
1) No need for over clocking ,no extra ports,M2 etc
2) just need 4th gen processor n NVIDIA gts 450 support (i will upgrade soon ) ,8gb ddr3 ram
FOR ONLY 1 YEAR OF GAMING
all the stuff in pt2(above) is covered by H81 M
SO ??
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motherboards wont give you a boost in gaming , it doesnt matter as long as you wont overclock , which you cant in your i3. just pick what ever you like it wont be any diff
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HEY TY GUYS .....got a
GIGABYTE H97 MD3H
I3 4150
G SKILL DDR3 4GB RAM
so far soooo gooood .... playin NFS hp 2010 ,NFS MostWanted (2012) and my all time favorite MAX PAYNE 3 (2012)
AT MAX settings ...... wanna play cod 4 but v lil players on the servers!